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Plagiarism [Jan. 4th, 2008|09:50 am]
Preserving Thamiris' LJ and memory

tham_preserved

[acampbell]
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There has been an incident of plagiarism of a story by Tham,

In Principio.

This person has also been plagiarizing other entries from Tham's journal. The incident was reported to this community by bofoddity. If you read the entry, it's clear that SV fen are already out in force to defend.

If anyone knows if there is a way to bar this individual from further access to Tham's LJ, please point us in the right direction. Is this grounds for contacting the Abuse Prevention Team? and if so, will they do anything?
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[User Picture]From: mecurtin
2008-01-04 03:01 pm (UTC)

IP info

The link is messed up.

thelana has received comments from him, and says:

"For what it's worth, boyan_fraser posted in my journal and I have IP tracking on. It lists his IP as 89.216.183.201. ip-address traces him to Belgrad, Serbia

IP address [?]: 89.216.183.201 Copy [Whois]
IP address country: ip address flag n/a
IP address state: n/a
IP address city: Belgrade
IP address latitude: 44.818600
IP address longitude: 20.468100
ISP of this IP [?]: Srpske Kablovske mreze - Serbia BroadBand (SBB) D.
Proxy: None / Highly Anonymous [Proxychecker]
Organization: IP Range for cable modem customers
Host of this IP: [?]: cable-89-216-183-201.dynamic.sbb.co.yu [Whois]"

Keep your eyes open for sockpuppets.
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[User Picture]From: acampbell
2008-01-04 06:20 pm (UTC)

Re: IP info

Thanks, Mary Ellen.
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[User Picture]From: mercymydarling
2008-01-04 03:10 pm (UTC)
I don't know how to keep him away, but I am so full of rage over this. Fic and entries and comments? That's just... outrageously unfair in any case, but so very wrong and upsetting now. :(
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[User Picture]From: teenygozer
2008-01-04 03:33 pm (UTC)
Just wanted to point out that you need to fix your link to the story; this is what you have:

http://boyan-fraser.livejournal.com/30248.htmlhttp://bofoddity.livejournal.com/profile

It seems to have doubled up.
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[User Picture]From: acampbell
2008-01-04 06:20 pm (UTC)
I fixed it, but it appears the entry has been locked now. Big surprise. :)
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[User Picture]From: dreamyraynbo
2008-01-04 03:33 pm (UTC)
Yes, this person needs to be reported. Repeatedly. That's beyond appalling. I can't believe I'm actually finding a use for the flagging option...
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[User Picture]From: trepkos
2008-01-04 04:11 pm (UTC)
Wow, that's low.
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[User Picture]From: twistedchick
2008-01-04 04:39 pm (UTC)
I mentioned (as in ranted) about this to my husband, who suggested that the community write a letter to the internet service provider who is hosting this person, as it would result in an automatic takedown of his account. When I mentioned that it was a Serbian providerr, he said it still might be worth trying but the chance of success would be much less.

I wish I could suggest something entirely effective, but this is a bit out of my area of knowledge. I looked back at his journal, and everything in it except the userpics and perhaps the odd birthday notice appears to have been lifted from Tham's work. It makes me sick.
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[User Picture]From: thelana
2008-01-04 05:54 pm (UTC)
Since they also took personal entries from thamiris, maybe one could claim something like stalking or imposterism rather than or in addition to plagiarism?
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[User Picture]From: twistedchick
2008-01-04 06:22 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure stalking would work -- since she's not here to be stalked -- but imposterism is certainly a possibility. Especially as he also stole her bio.

Edited at 2008-01-04 06:23 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: elgraves
2008-01-04 06:24 pm (UTC)
He also stole the bunny poem. I love that bunny poem. I was going to give you the url but it's no longer publicly available. I wish I took a screen cap.
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[User Picture]From: sealwhiskers
2008-01-04 06:25 pm (UTC)
Similar cases have been reported to LJ abuse team, and this is very worthy of a report. You have the IP - the least LJ can do is to delete that journal. A friend of mine was plagiarized last year (poems and whole journal entries) and that journal was deleted.
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[User Picture]From: sealwhiskers
2008-01-04 06:27 pm (UTC)
Also, you guys, if you went and ranted in that journal, you should always take screen caps, because plagiarists and other offenders are often swift with locking or deleting what they wrote (I learned this the hard way from moderating a poetry writing community). So think before you act if you want to get to the bottom of this.
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[User Picture]From: mattador
2008-01-04 06:34 pm (UTC)
The Lj Abuse team cannot act unless it is reported by a member of her family- and she didn't want her family knowing about her LJ. Likewise, this guy is friendslocking his entire journal.

seventhmoon004@gmail.com

is his email address.
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[User Picture]From: bluster
2008-01-04 06:43 pm (UTC)
He has started to go back and f'lock many of the plagiarized entries. Not deleting, mind you...simply locking them away. The abuse team was notified but they indicated that only a family member would be able to lodge a complaint.
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[User Picture]From: sealwhiskers
2008-01-04 06:54 pm (UTC)
There is another thing we can do. When my friend was plagiarized last year, we, a couple of her friends wrote to every single person on the plagiarist's friends list and told them, in a standardized message what that journal was about.

So we could do that, and also write to all of the communities that boyan_fraser is in. It's a good way of smoking out the rat, because most writing people fear and detest a plagiarist and impostor.
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[User Picture]From: sealwhiskers
2008-01-04 07:34 pm (UTC)
If those ppl are boyan_fraser's friends list, then yes, I do indeed mean them.

The plagiarizing journal from last year had around 80 friends, but remember, we used the same standardized message on all of them, and divided the work among a handful of ppl. Most ppl were very grateful to be notified that the writing they were admiring was not that person's own, and then they de-friended and left, leaving that journal pretty moot. (after that LJ abuse team deleted the account, but it often takes them some time to do that, and in this case, tham being dead, they might not defend her material at all)

I also think we could write to the moderators of all the writing communities that boyan_fraser is in. It is particularly these kind of people that BF wants to impress, and those are also the most likely to be disgusted with his behavior when they know the truth.
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[User Picture]From: acampbell
2008-01-04 08:16 pm (UTC)
I wonder if LJ might find it in their hearts to make another exception, Tham being dead, the same as when they honored our request to make her account a Memorial one.
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[User Picture]From: sealwhiskers
2008-01-04 08:25 pm (UTC)
I really hope so.
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[User Picture]From: passion_writer
2008-01-04 09:32 pm (UTC)
You don't need to contact me and I would be much obliged if my name is never mentioned in context with his ever again.
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[User Picture]From: thelana
2008-01-04 10:31 pm (UTC)
Several of the people on this list are already aware of what is going (centim knows and is mentioned in the report, deadbeat_nymph posted a horrified reaction on fandom_lounge, wanton_erato is also mentioned and melancthe seems to be active over at fandom_lounge too, I already infomred happywriter as one of the mods of foxriver_fic where he advertised his not self written incest meta).
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[User Picture]From: wanton_erato
2008-01-05 12:29 pm (UTC)
Just a comment on this.

I am on that list, and I, along with I'm sure many of those people, are aware of this issue. Indeed I have done my part with regard to spreading the message, getting him deleted from comms, and chastising boyan_fraser myself.

The reason I have not yet de-friended him is because his is, in response, de-friending people who de-friend him (obviously), and as all his entries which are now not completely locked are F-locked, I have been looking to maintain my access to past posts should they be required as 'evidence' by the people taking action against this plagarist. After all, one cannot take screen shots of something one cannot see.

So, please consider that there might be a bigger picture here, and do not indulge in any kind of 'demonising' of people on this person's Friends List. We were all taken in, had our trust abused, and are already suffering enough from being made to look foolish by this person, thanks.

Oh, and BTW, deadbeat_nymph has already de-friended this LJ and been de-friended by BF in return.
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[User Picture]From: simplelyric
2008-01-05 04:58 pm (UTC)
Thank you for stopping by to talk about this. I understand your concerns.

Despite some unfortunate lashing out that has taken place elsewhere, I don't think anyone here is looking to villify the people on B_F's Friends list. We know that most, if not all, of you were unaware of B_F's actions. And I already discussed with my co-mod here the fact that some of you who have learned of the situation may well be staying on the list to have access to that locked content for evidence. I can't tell you how much I appreciate that.

Seal's idea was not to harass any of you, but just to construct a polite and tactful message to send folks privately, to make sure that no one was still having their trust abused and still, unknowingly, giving credit to B_F for the words of someone we cherished.

I've been keeping an eye on the threads here, at journalfen, and related links, so that, if we do go forward with the idea of sending that message, I will do my best to make sure we're not contacting anyone we know already has learned what B_F has been doing. And, again, the message would not be attacking recipients, just informing.
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[User Picture]From: wanton_erato
2008-01-05 08:41 pm (UTC)
Well I appreciate that you had already considered the reasoning for staying on this person's F-list that I mentioned.

I appreciate the reasoning being Seal's idea of ensuring that people on B_F's F-list are informed of what has transpired, and agree with it of course. My problem is with the public listing of the people concerned on this thread. Please see my response to Seal below as to my reasoning. As I said to her, I would appreciate it if that list posted by captainlucy could be removed from this thread.
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[User Picture]From: sealwhiskers
2008-01-05 06:28 pm (UTC)
Hello wanton_erato!
What on earth gave you the impression that anyone was thinking ill of BF's friendslist? You are after all only people who were liking the late thamiris writing, which only shows good taste!

In the case of plagiarism I was referring to last year, and which was successfully concluded with that journal's deletion, we merely sent polite notes to all on the f-list which basically said that "if you want to read the original, you can go here and here" and so forth. After all, most writing people are thankful when plagiarism is exposed, and they do not like to be tricked.

By all means stay and keep an eye on the journal. My hope is still that boyan_fraser will become if not entirely than at least almost friendless and also banned from all communities he's on, when all this is over, but even if someone would stay because they like the guy, it is not my place to judge on that. I merely want ppl to be informed about the situation, as I'm sure you do too.
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[User Picture]From: wanton_erato
2008-01-05 08:35 pm (UTC)
The reason I gained the impression you refer to is the post above specifically naming the people on B_F's f-list, which implied some kind of effort (albeit, I appreciate, possibly an unintended one) of 'naming and shaming' the various individuals.

I would have expected that anyone wishing to contact those on this person's F-list could simply refer to the F-list itself, which, after all, I assume remains public as long as the journal is in existence. There was really no need to create this 'list' and post it here, as it means that these people's names will now stay associated with this person even once they have de-friended him, and even though they may find their association with him a cause for pain and embarrassment (even though our intentions were good, and our taste impeccable given that, as far as I know, most of us friended him due to the wit and wisdom of the journal entries).

You'll see this sentiment is implied in passion_writer's comment above:

"I would be much obliged if my name is never mentioned in context with his ever again."

I would go so far as to say that I would appreciate it if the comment by captainlucy above was removed from this thread. I am fairly sure that once this whole debacle is finally resolved, and those of us still on this person's F-list for the reasons discussed have removed themselves, we would prefer not to have any record of our association with this person left anywhere on LJ, including - or even most especially - here.

I appreciate that you may wish to make sure that anyone still remaining on B_F's F-list in a week or so, who you are not sure has been informed of these issues, is aware of this person's extremely distasteful actions, and may wish to send the kind of message you refer to. This is of course not only perfectly acceptable, but a good idea. But I think this can be done by referring to the list on B_F's profile, without mentioning the people concerned anywhere else.

I am sure that B_F will indeed become almost entirely friendless and persona non grata in a short period of time, and of course any reasonable action to ensure this should be taken.

I will also just say that I know at least a couple of us consider the one positive to have come out of this whole awful business is that we have discovered Thamiris's wonderful words. If only B_F could have introduced us to them via fully accredited posts, and not via this sham of a persona.
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[User Picture]From: sealwhiskers
2008-01-05 11:46 pm (UTC)
only captainlucy herself can delete her comment (I think), but I actually thought that her comment listing of BF's f-list was more a hint at me, and that my idea to send messages to 30-something people was over the top... :)

I'm not involved in the world of fandom that much, but know enough to have a certain respect for how fast word travels there..but from my standpoint it would be idiocy to blame BF's friends list, hey, for all I know I could be on it if I hadn't been LJ buddy with Thamiris, I'm drawn to nice writing and that's one of my first criteria when I friend someone.

Edited at 2008-01-06 03:53 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: passion_writer
2008-01-09 03:26 am (UTC)
My thoughts exactly, wanton_erato. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Nice choice of quote, by the way. ^_^
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[User Picture]From: heliokleia
2008-01-06 01:15 pm (UTC)
"AND DO NOT INDULGE IN ANY KIND OF "DEMONISING" OD PEOPLE ON THIS PERSON'S F-LIST" -

Well spoken, *WANTON*, my dear friend. Yeah, and, I am too, feel foolish and angry about this obviously shameless person who had abused our trust... *grrr*!!

And so, I de-friend this LJ immediately - as you and *NYMPH* did, too. And I hope, that his crap will not longer paste on us, his unsuspecting, former "friends" & readers.
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From: ext_76304
2008-01-05 12:27 am (UTC)
I'm in disgust.

~Your friend, LL.
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[User Picture]From: the-willow.insanejournal.com
2008-01-06 02:46 am (UTC)
Hey,

Just mad, angry grr. I'd drifted away from SV and from following and reading Tham, but she was one of the first people I 'met' in fandom who opened my eyes to it as a larger world. She made me think.

The thing that burns me the most about this is that more than one person I knew and cared about on lj died last year or year before and this whole thing now has me missing them all terribly more than usual and worrying about some other idiot doing something like this. Previously the only thing upsetting me was the thought that LJ in it's great Strikethrough and Boldthrough might suspend/delete the journals of those passed friends.

Now I find out that LJ's policies are making them out to be even more craptastic than previously thought.
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